RotK thoughts (could be spoilers)

BlackRider · Post by **BlackRider** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 5:50 pm

OT: how come this thread hasn't been started yet? If it had, I obviously missed it. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"> I give it 1 thumb up! Worth seeing once and then wait for the director's cut dvd. I liked it, but after the first two this one let me down. The worst thing that I can think of is that they completely cut out Saruman! Things I disliked most about this film: 1) Scale! Not only the hobbits, but nearly everything else changes scale!!! There's the usual hobbits changing from 3 to 5 feet, the Black Gate, the battering ram, the yard at the top of Minas Tirith (changes from ~100 yds to ~400 yds), and just about everything else! 2) Changes! They changed the #@$*&ing ENDING!!!! They also changed many smaller things and some bigger things, but I either don't remember them or am not certain. 3) Omitions! Saruman was gone, they cut out the forest people, they cut out Gandalf's confontation w/ the head Nazgul guy... and many other things... 4) Where'd the darkness go? There was too much sunlight throughout the WHOLE movie! The battle of Minas Tirith lost half its atmosphere because the sun was out. Correct me if I'm wrong... but it should have been better. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"> What did you peeps think? COLORS!

Scorch · Post by **Scorch** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 7:32 pm

Personally I think the third movie was betterthen the first two combined, then again thats just what I think. BTW I saw the movie twice, once Wensday Night (I believe the day it came out) and then again a week and a half later. as for your remarks... 1) The scale thing I didn't really notice it, then again I wasn't watching the movie to pick apart things I didn't like, so I'll have to take your word that it was there, but personally I don'tthink it effects the quality of the movie. 2) They really didn't change the ending, they simply left off part of the book, if you really think about it though the movie was already 3.5 hours long, that would have added at least another 20-30 minutes to the film. They did change a few details though other then that but nothing major. 3) Saruman was gone because they neededto cut somthing and he was not that pivotal to the whole epic tale, so he was cut (just like Tom Bombdill from the first movie). What forest people BTW? I am not sure what your talking about with those. Will add more later... have dinner now

Post by **XMEN Gambit** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 8:48 pm

IMO, the RotK was the most accurate (true to the book) of the three movies. Noticably more of the dialog was an out-and-out quote. Yes, they left stuff out. They really couldn't put everything in, realistically - there's WAY too much book for a line-by-line translation to movie. Omissions really only bug me if they leave out something vital or replace something that SHOULD have been there with something relatively pointless (like the warg ambush in TTT). As far as gripes about the scale is concerned, some of it I saw and some I didn't. Saruman's end, they way it was shot, should have happened at the end of TTT. It doesn't fit with the move version of RotK at all. I would have really liked to have seen the "Scouring of the Shire" and Saruman's proper end, but they didn't have time to put in Scouring and so Saurman's end would fit at Isengard like they shot it. Will be on the extended version of RotK.

BlackRider · Post by **BlackRider** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:01 pm

Maybe I just wasn't as thrilled as I thought I would be because a movie could never match some of the grand scenes that had played out in my imagination... I keep forgetting that this is LotR the movies and not the books. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> One thing that almost made me laugh out loud was when the Black Gate went from 300 feet tall down to 30 feet! I mean in some TTT scenes the orcs were mere specks on top of the gates and when our heroes go riding up to it at the end of RotK it's a mere 30 feet, maybe less. It could have been a funny angle, but it was funny. But I must reiterate that it was a good movie that was worth seeing... I just don't think that it's worth another $8 to see it again. Most of my gripes are either wishful thinking or general pickyness. COLORS!

LoS Malthus · Post by **LoS Malthus** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 10:52 pm

Parts of Gandalf's battle with the Nazghul have been seen in the trailers, so I bet we see it in the extended version <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> I really liked the movie, but if Sam had cried one more time.... I'd like to go see it again in the theatre, the first time was less them optimal (bad viewing angle and very late) <hr /> Evil Overlord rule #12: One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation. <hr />

Mavicator · Post by **Mavicator** » Wed Jan 07, 2004 11:04 pm

I loved it. Two thumbs up. There are always things I don't agree with in a movie, but you can't please everyone who will see it. I never read the books so I don't know or care about any inconsistancies there. Overall it was very well made. I loved the machines of war. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> <img src="http://www.camerasupport.com/oV/mavsigr ...

Tronronru · Post by **Tronronru** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 5:54 pm

Saw the movie last Sunday and am halfway through the whole book. I can understand the viewpoint of establishing your own ideas (through your imagination) of how everything should be portrayed or how the characters should appear. This can create adverse affects with some. However, I started reading the book after the first movie, and it helped to create the images in my mind. I was also able to fill in the missing scenes using the images I was able to capture from viewing the film. It has made reading the book a incredible experience. J.R.R. Tolkien is a remarkable writer. It amazes me how he can jump from one story to another, incorporate poetry, and create whole new languages into a story. Now to the movie: The movie was totally entertaining. The series as a whole was very well done. I, like others, am wondering what they will put into the Extended version. I did miss the confrontation at the Shire with Saruman and Wormtongue doing him in. I was also displeased with the death of Theoden. We all know that was not what happened. I guess we are to assume Eomer just became king of Rohan. I wanted to see Aragorn bail Eomer out of his mistake of running off in a rage to attack the orcs. What happened to the Scepter of Annuminas that Elrond was holding from Aragorn that marked his other kingship of the other Province, or that Elrond was totally appalled at Arwen marrying Aragorn even after the ring was destroyed? Seemed like Elrond had no problem with it. What was up with the whole sword thing? Aragorn left Rivendell with it, and he renamed it according to the book. I guess it was for drama. Do you remember the cut scene when Gandalf was talking to Aragorn about the reinforcements coming through the river? Was that Peter Jackson, as captain of the ship, walking across the deck? That was the first thing I thought. I can understand the whole timeline thing. After reading the appendices, I was amazed at how long everything actually took. I know everything cannot be put in the movie. I have found that there have been many things left out of all of the movies. Overall, I was pleased with it and cannot wait for the release of the Extended version next November. I am going to have a 11 hour film festival that day. Tron

X Rogue · Post by **X Rogue** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 6:36 pm

Actually, Tron, Tolkien didn't put his languages into the books, he wrote the books around the languages he invented as a hobby. Built Middle Earth and its' cultures and ppl around the languages. He was a philologist by profession. The film was enjoyable, and yes, that was Peter Jackson as the pirate captain. Good eye. Theoden's death was mishandled a bit from my perspective too. Eomer missed out here just like in TTT.But I am consoled in a way because I always did wish that Eowyn had gotten to say goodbye, being that she loved her uncle as if he were her father. Eowyn and the Witch King was good, but I woulda like more dialogue. That was always my favorite scene in all 3 books, so needless to say, I have been waiting for that one. Aragorn's character was mishandled in the films almost as badly as Elrond's was. Elrond is not a bitter grumpy man hater. He's half human himself, so if any Elflord would understand human failing (Isildur) Elrond would. And Elrond raised Aragorn as a son, and by the time of the War of the Ring, Elrond had already given permission for Arwen to marry him. No way should they have wasted so much time on having Elrond complain about it, never mind trying to get Arwen to sail West. The subject of his agreement could have been handled in 2-3 minutes, with the scene at Gilraen's grave, saving time for other things. Aragorn had no doubts; he had always accepted his destiny from the moment he'd been told of it at the age of 20, AND his obtaining the crown was the condition of Elrond's permission for the marriage with Arwen. Again, could have been handled with the grave scene. Aragorn never turned back or said he didn't want his kingship, but made a steady effort toward it from the time he discovered his identity as the Heir of Isildur. Sigh. And the thing with the sword was just silly. Faramir and Eowyn getting together was mishandled too. One minute she's going into battle on a suicidal impulse because the man she supposedly loves doesn't want her, faces down Angmar, watches Theoden die, and gets hurt herself. Then suddenly she and Faramir are just standing there at the coronation/wedding of Aragorn and Eowyn's just smiling up at Faramir like nothing ever happened with Ara at all. If I hadn't read the books I woulda been saying "HUH!?!?!?! What's with Miss Schizo here??" Need that Houses of Healing scene back big time PJ. And let's talk about Faramir and his dad Denethor while we are picking at stuff. Denethor is portrayed as a nutter without a cause here. Yes, he was nuts, but we have no explanation barring the death of Boromir for his despair. Denethor went cuckoo because he had the Palantir of Minas Tirith and was dumb enough to try to fight Sauron thru it. Sauron drove Denethor into despair, long before Boromir ever died. Boromir just sent him over the edge, rather than being the whole cause for Denethor's insanity. A tad more MacBeth for the Steward, please. Faramir was handled much better here than in TTT, but like Eowyn he needed some dialogue after the Pellenor. Ah well, other than that, I haven't much to complain of. And I hear rumors (begun by Ian McKellen, no less) that we are looking at a 4 hour 50 minute EE DVD for ROTK. Gack, sorry for the book. Must be the company I keep. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> <img src="http://www.xmenclan.org/avatars/rogue_av.jpg" style="height:200;width:125;"/> "Fare well wherever you fare, until your eyries receive you at your journey's end." <a href="http://pub39.ezboard.com/brohan73264">Rohan BBS</a> <a href="http://pub3.ezboard.com/bxmenclan">XMEN clan BBS</a>

Post by **XMEN Gambit** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 7:58 pm

<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o"> eh, whazzat? <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/nerd.gif ALT="8o">

ITIMAN · Post by **ITIMAN** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:49 pm

I CAN read but I do not like reading the books.....I enjoyed all three movies.... I have yet to see any extended versions... I just a few minutes of FOTR with Ron... I do not have much to argue about here. It is a great story our our time. CHEERS!! ITIMAN <img src="http://members.cox.net/ccraig3/webavatarbioderm.jpg" style="border:0;"/>

Tronronru · Post by **Tronronru** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 6:15 am

Maybe I should have said incorporate the language instead of create. I agree with Eowyn and Faramir totally, but I didn't want to be too critical. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"> "If I hadn't read the books I woulda been saying "HUH!?!?!?! What's with Miss Schizo here??" Need that Houses of Healing scene back big time PJ." <img src=http://www.boomspeed.com/natila/falldownlaugh.gif ALT=":roll"> Maybe we will see it in the extended. Almost 5 hours! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"> Oh my. On another note about Aragorn, I find it amazing that the only fights that he was involved with were in Moria and the Wargs that didn't exist. He didn't fight the Wraiths or the Uruk-hai. I guess the movie would have been less interesting to those that didn't know the story. Where was Bill? Just kidding. It didn't matter that much, but Sam was dearly fond of him. Tron

X Rogue · Post by **X Rogue** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:24 pm

They got Bill back in Bree, and since they didn't film the hobbits going back thru Bree, no Bill. You'd think that after all that Sam would get the pony back as well as getting hitched. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"> <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> Aragorn was involved in Pellenor Fields to a much greater extent than in the film, and in the battle at the Black Gate too. And I didn't care much for the actor they selected for Aragorn either. Got to like everyone else as the film progressed, but Mr. Mortenson less and less. Sorry, I can see he's competent, and I made many allowances for the script change, but something about his performance didn't gel with me. I wish it had, and I tried to like him, I truly did. I adore Aragorn's character, tho he isn't my favorite. <img src="http://www.xmenclan.org/avatars/rogue_av.jpg" style="height:200;width:125;"/> "Fare well wherever you fare, until your eyries receive you at your journey's end." <a href="http://pub39.ezboard.com/brohan73264">Rohan BBS</a> <a href="http://pub3.ezboard.com/bxmenclan">XMEN clan BBS</a>

Ambush Bug · Post by **Ambush Bug** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 3:33 pm

I can see where you're coming from with Viggo, Rogue. He always struck me more as a 'King Kull' kinda guy rather than Aragorn. However, he does do a good job in the movie--Aragorn always seemed to be a rather difficult guy to play.

X Rogue · Post by **X Rogue** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:27 pm

Oh, yah, a difficult part for anyone, tho I'm sure an interesting one. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"> <img src="http://www.xmenclan.org/avatars/rogue_av.jpg" style="height:200;width:125;"/> "Fare well wherever you fare, until your eyries receive you at your journey's end." <a href="http://pub39.ezboard.com/brohan73264">Rohan BBS</a> <a href="http://pub3.ezboard.com/bxmenclan">XMEN clan BBS</a>

DarkestToltec · Post by **DarkestToltec** » Sat Jan 17, 2004 7:27 am

Well, oddly Viggo wasnt the first choice for Aragorn. A British actor whose name at the moment escapes me was hired on and actually began shooting as Aragorn. He was released from his contract a few weeks into production due to a disagreement over how the character should be played. Jackson then brought in Mortenson, who oddly enough conformed to Jackson's view of Aragorn. So in actuality Viggo was just playing the character as Jackson wanted it played. I think that perhaps the original actor wouldn't bend quite so easy. But then again mortenson was not a star before LOTR, so it is understandable why he would make concessions.

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